Hi Jan,
With reference to your last message I have a question for you. Why is there a link blocked entry to the official Chrysler club?
I thought we agreed on a collaboration. And I thought that the "hatchet" was buried. And it can not be placed either link to the discussion, or in chat or in the message. Do not be mad at me, but it really smacks of censorship - even at the level of personal mail.
Jarda
PS: Please, if possible, your response to OFFICIAL mainpage of your site, because I noticed that more people and are quite disgusted.
hello,
I look at it, since it is a tech "provocative" article, as a preventive measure against spam with odkazama (as I wrote here, we have extensive experience of a similar nature).
put it in the text banovaneho boss of everything here, I will be with them to talk about it and try what most agree.
you have some suggestions that I had a meeting with them in the account? Thanks for the faculty building every idea.
jack
ps: technical note: this is not censorship, it is part of a "firewall". only just such a link does not go anywhere on this site write. be on the list are also some e-shops that have tried to dig himself a link in the discussion meeting.
Hi,
frankly I do not know since when it is blocked here. However, the deleted article is a matter of the past 14 days. Nowhere nespamovali we link, nor do we intend to do. Nevertheless, our club came here and I came to the block by accident when I wanted to write one colleague in the chat, where to find info about the club and chat obstinately took my post. Then I tried it in the message and in discussions. Sorry, but it seems to me unfair. You can look at the new club site, there is nothing against this site, while there is a link.
I think that local members are entitled to know that there is an official club and where to ev. be found. A lot of people who are not our members are asking me about it and does not act well (and especially for this site. Net) when they have to explain why I have a reference copy and I can not write it straight, if otherwise in discussions, chat and message line function normally.
I do not know what you should argue your boss know. But you can see that the official club website to you are correct. It might could be one argument. Another could be that the club is an association of a healthy core, which has also register you here and is also active here, because we promised that from this site and we will not disavow him to remain active.
IMHO - one of my members have complained that his link to the site has been deleted from the profile.
Maybe you or your boss falls off the wall, but I think for many reasons and considerations would be a good contrast here to place a link to our site - such as the "Official Club Chrysler" because we really have it all-inclusive . Do not worry, there is no outflow of people from here, ofiko club member can be from day to day and not everyone is quite acceptable to our set strict conditions for membership. It's only our first defense against problems that could arise as to the publication of manuals and also against some "vyčůránkům" who operate here only for your benefit, which is somehow primary goal clubs in general.
Take care
Jarda
PS: I hate to be played in the controversy, what is and is not censorship. Because no one will try to spam this address, but was used as a reference for those who wanted information on the official club. I hope that we do not want to sort into groups of intrusive e-shops.
Reaction INRAJ:
hello,
so I already talked to the boss of everything here, even though I told him what you wrote me arguments to cancel the ban, I suggested that I was naive, etc.
I wonder when the upset, but I will try to help those within their limited possibilities.
jack
My reaction:
Hey, who's "boss of it all here?" I would like him either wrote or called him. It is with us as with onucí and not even know his name.
We are not trash, we are holy ministry official organization and I wish you had handled this. I am writing this as a duly elected chairman of the official club.
Jarda
Then he said to me illogical to me unknown mysterious "sttv":
Hi Jarda,
based on discussions with inraj and in agreement with my boss came to the conclusion that it's probably best if I write directly to you our opinion on the issue of competitive websites, references and other things related.
We were honored that we all managed to get into the Jeep club today.
It is a pity that there is (in my opinion, completely unnecessary) dispute that revolves about a newly founded club. I do not know about this site that showed some functional deficiencies that would slowly accrue pages or have any other significant technical shortcomings. At the same time to me, nor heard of any information about that here in terms of administration and site management did something inappropriate, let alone that there was anyone in any verbal or otherwise challenged or that there would be on a human did something that should be solve and nobody did not address. Logically, therefore, see no reason why someone should post another site and when someone has founded, I think anything that could prove that he did so with good intent. However, about why who founded another site I do not argue, much less discuss, because we will certainly get it and lengthy debates that lead nowhere, that would just, in my view unnecessarily escalated tensions.
My opinion is that anyone can create any website, or let them establish a thousand. If the cause but rather is based on the fact that the dispute arose, rumors or bad blood here on the site, then it is surely our paths divide. It would be good for this web site nor for any other newly created good people to sit on two or more chairs and disputes that arose. So who wants to be here, and there was always warmly welcomed. If someone wants to change to another site, let him do so, and its activities are quite close. Of course we wish, whether the new site and let them thrive there arises the same great group of people, as was here. To all who contributed to this site to a good atmosphere and participated in the operation site thank you and we are honored to have you with us on the web spend their time.
It is possible that blocking URLs new website can be viewed as censorship and that's certainly what no one of us in the slightest wish. However, in relation to what I have already mentioned above, it is no effort to make censorship, but it is an expression of the opinion that for both sites will be better if you will live your life and when they have their community of people, when people would were here and there, the situation would only complicate and led to disputes.
Anyone want an account here completely, let them turn on me. Just write something like "please cancel your account", no need to explain anything.
I'm sorry that it occurred here, but I hope that we all move back to somewhere dále.Zdraví,
admin
My answer:
Hi "admin"
I'm sorry that I am not worthy that would be at least one of you "declassified". I have my full name, and I have the telephone connection to each other, but I am dealing here either with Jan (inraj) or "admin". Again, I feel like onuce, decent people in society is quite normal that the present ... well ... nothing to the point ...
For another, what you wrote, it is quite obvious that you neither understand what we (the official club) goes. I will not describe them here again, read it, please, in the relevant discussions CHRYSLER club (not a JEEP, JEEP, although I have, but in this case, an offshoot group called Chrysler).
Regarding the site, I asked INRA to make do, for example, that the manuals are only VIP members get the manuals, which are subject to copyright, not accessible to everyone. I also wanted, whether it is possible to separate somehow the official members of the club from the users of this forum. Neither apparently not. So it was one of the main reasons for starting a new website where manuals, although they are, but there are only available to club members. I note that it is not competing web site is just party people who understand that there's got what you need to have an official club function, it is not set, so they left nothing more .. I do not know if you understand the consequences, but in essence it and protect the site, because nowadays, when copyright protects more and more, you could also in a very short time, turn off the web. So that was the reason why I wrote the article. It was nothing but pure truth. I understand that it INRA hurt, but deleting article and remove the rights to create articles is not an adequate response. It was censorship, whether or not you want.
I do not throw off this site, we are glad that there is, after all the members here know ofiko club, but I hope it is understandable that when we established a new club - this time officially - that it must somehow be separated, the official club and make connections to the factory , a supplier of spare parts, etc. .. and then that's something for something, we act like all the official clubs, where membership is paid, you need to attend meetings, but also something that the member receives. Something that is the work of the committee and members, there are plenty of people who have never been to rallies, never has not organized, and I hope it is understandable that for such rádobyčleny not provide any advantages.
But if you read a discussion about starting a new club, you understand that we do not shun people who are here, but do not want the official club. And we promised them that we will also occur here. So I see no reason not to disturb the bulk registration, it would be rather counterproductive. However, the internal affairs of the official club that is registered, we need to deal separately from discussions and chat here, I hope you understand. And when it was not there, we have established a website, it is neither criminal nor is it against the site. I will continue to run meetings and rides them official and non-members of the club, we do not want to distance themselves from them, especially because meetings are establishing here that about them, these people know and be able to register them.
It should be noted that your website is really unofficial club brands, a lot of people here just go through and then nobody knows about them, however there are also those who are here permanently, but do not want or can not pay anything, but the meetings look like ... etc. .. etc. .. I must repeat that I think it would be fair and logical, if you cancel the ban on the link to the official club website, and vice versa placed between the links here on the left link to this site.
I note that the only dispute arose over the location of my article, which we have with inraj vyříkali. What is in discussions are really rather talk about the meaning and form an official club.
I do not know if it was not under your dignity, but when you look at our website (link to it here, unfortunately, I can not write), you would see that there is nothing against you or this site, while there is a link - of above and the reasons outlined below.
I note that WE competition (ie our site), where the only advertising we do, we are a non-profit associations, you woo advertisers, or indeed the user. So, not that the blocking "can be understood," but it IS censorship in the truest sense. So consider, if you insist ....
Therefore, I propose to continue to meet and talk to everyone.
I note that I was still calm ... even after you told me basically as a logical starting point (even after I told you I paid a few more this year) "fired". It certainly can not be seen as helpful.
Please consider nameless admin polojmenný Hansel and nameless mysterious boss, very carefully your next steps.
Jarda
The following proposal sttv for "voluntary departure", note that what I wrote there is not a word, I think that it probably was long:
Hi Jarda,
They can say the same - namely, that if you want to run the other club, then we expect that he himself and of his own free will here on business you finish completely. I write it so specifically and exclusively to you, or next to those who feel that there's not good enough for them and they want to participate in the formation of another club.
I have nothing more to what I said.
Sincerely,
admin
So I answered too briefly:
Hi anonyme,
please contact your boss. I think your answer is not adequate to what I wrote yesterday and it is quite obvious that you did not understand anything of what I tried to explain.
It is not in my interest to terminate the activity of the reasons that I have in my message fairly described in detail.
Thanks
Jarda
PS: Please you to free them from their subjective feelings of hurt and used common sense. Thank you.
Well here it completely out of ammo ...:
Hi Jarda,
all the arguments why they founded another club I consider poor.
I do not care at all why other Chrysler who founded the club, it seems to me stupid and childish, even dumber here arguing about it and I do not care anything about this site.
There will never be the next club (in my Vain Club) will never have support and I do not want to hear anything and nothing else to do it They nenapíšu.admin
So I have written:
Please contact the boss. Or is it just an imaginary person?
I see you have not read it very carefully and uchyluješ to insults. I'm not arguing whether you understand it, I'm sorry. I try a constructive conversation, but your party is not interested.
Apparently orientuješ just that you might threaten an official club, but it is not. And the arguments that I mentioned are real and true. Poor is to do that there while digging around.
Here:
http://www.chrysler-club.net/legal.php
referring to the laws and ethics, I hope that this also applies to the webmaster and site owners. So, please, according to law and rules of conduct behave.
... And that's it friends ....
